Matic’s Ochocinco The Ultimate Catch Premiere Recap 
The intro to Ochocinco: The Ultimate Catch begins with our host bald Ray J Ochocinco telling us about his career as an NFL player because unlike most of our previous dating show hosts, this guy actually has a real, not made up, current job.
Our opening scene takes us to a jewelry store where Ocho (I will henceforth refer to him as Ocho for the rest of the season because I refuse to type a name with 4 damn syllables.) picks up a nice 7 carat white diamond, platinum ring for the winner of the show (Uh don’t we usually wait until the finale for this? Ocho better pray VH1 didn’t stick him with trannies, dinosaurs and whore goblins).
And Then There Were 68
Next we cut to the Rose Bowl where all the girls are preparing to meet Ocho and we are introduced to Ocho’s sidekick, Bernard Berrian (WR for the Minnesota Vikings).
Ocho and Bernard create silly small-talk as a lame way to bring in all the girls (Kinda sounds like a setup to a stupid p0rn).
All of a sudden, the frenzy of 85, screaming women rush out onto the field where they quickly line up and break out into a stupid “Ochocinco” jumping jacks cheer (This the best they could come up with to bring in 85 girls? Really? Ocho riding up on the field in a big ass float of the number 85 and some fireworks shooting out the top would be better than this).
After they finish their bullshit cheer, Ocho finally gives his tired speech on ‘not finding that special someone’ ( :: rolling eyes :: ) and then has Bernard conduct the girls to start doing stretches so he has an excuse to go look at everyone’s asses bending over in short shorts (According to Steupz this would probably be a necessary assessment. According to me it’s useless bullshit).
Immediately after the stretching begins Ocho starts making cuts to eliminate girls until 85 becomes 68 (The fact that VH1 won’t even show their faces makes the cuts so much more bogus).
Moments later Ocho starts calling up a bunch of girls by their jersey numbers. We eventually learn he called up 20 girls and told all of them that they have been cut so now there are 48 girls remaining (We went through 37 girls in less than 8 minutes? WTF was the point of bringing out 85 women?).
Sweet Seventeen
Now that we’re down to a more manageable group of girls, Bernard tells the girls they will have to do 3 challenges; the Hugging Sled where they have to hug big ass dummies with Ocho’s face on them, the End-zone Dance, and a trash-talking challenge (Did y’all spend all the money for this show on that ring? This ain’t Basement Affair; GTFOH with these cheap ass challenges).
The girls who impress Ocho the most will make it to the Final 17.
Since VH1 girls are notorious for being grossly devoid of talent - and they all basically make themselves look stupid - I’ll skip over this and say Angela, Rubi and Candice are the first 3 chosen while Tiphani, Jasmine and April get the last 3 spots.
Now that the Final 17 girls have been selected (I won’t list them because we’re never formally introduced to any of them individually) they are all told to freshen up for their trip to the house.
When the girls arrive they stampede through the house so we can see the 3 most crucial areas to every VH1 show; the pool, the bar and the bedrooms. Since we’re at the bedrooms it’s easy to guess what happens next (No it’s not sex; get your mind outta the gutter).
What happens is Jasmine and Laurice fight over a bed Jasmine was trying to save for Tiphani (Who argues with a bitch they just met over saving a bed for another bitch they just met?)
After the fight all the girls rush to the bar to start drinking but before they get there they notice the ring displayed in a big ass case in the foyer (Ohhh. I get the purpose of the ring now. Keep reminding the gold-diggers that they have something to work for. That ring is THE prize. Ocho with all his attention-whoring and cuntiness is not).
So now the girls finally start drinking and continue to tour the house until they come upon this big ass bracket (It’s a lot of big ass shit in this big ass house). It is here where everyone notices there are 16 spots and 17 girls.
A few minutes later, Ocho (in his first FTLORJ hijack of the episode) appears on a video screen where he tells the girls he is going to have a party at the house later and he has sent designers to help them pick out dresses.
We immediately cut to the meeting with the designer some dude that’s not Christian Audigier Oday Shakar (Notice this is gonna be a classy party. There’s not a shred of lingerie or stripper-wear around).
The girls dress for the party and gather downstairs to wait for Ocho.
So You Think You Can Dance?
When Ocho arrives he gets a modest cheer (This will be evident in a few minutes) and he goes straight to Rubi so he can dance with her (Well damn. Guys if you need to make a bunch of women who probably spent 3 hours getting ready to try to impress you feel ugly then this is the way to go).
After the dance he reiterates that one girl will be eliminated and he brings in Bernard Berrian and Terrell Owens (Bringing in homies… FTLORJ hijack #2) to help him get to know the girls during the party (Ok why did they scream louder for Bernard and T.O than they did for Ocho?). Candice is especially smitten about being in the same room as 3 NFL players (It would be easy to say something about a blonde white woman fawning over 3 big black men but Bourgy is a ‘family site’ so I’ma shut up).
The party officially starts and Ocho starts dancing with some of the girls. Meanwhile Candice is putting in a lot of effort to catch T.O.’s attention (Wrong person bitch. I know they look alike but…ah who am I kidding the hosts never find love on these things so just go for the guests. It worked for Micah).
Most of the mixer goes on uneventfully. Bernard continues to question the girls (I have a feeling this dude has a Basic Bitch meter because he has a constant WTF look on his face every time one of them says something) and T.O. continues to flirt with pretty much everybody.
Ocho on the other hand is doing his best to get to know the girls himself by talking to them one-on-one away from the party but since everyone is so basic and boring the only thing of note from these conversations is Crystal not telling her parents about coming on the show (Have you looked at her face? She’s old. She doesn’t need to tell her dad everything she does).
Later, T.O. starts to get more aggressive with his flirting and continues to ask Candice if he could get her phone number (Damn you thirsty dude. Get your own show…oh wait I forgot, you do have your own show). Candice is hesitant but not dismissive about giving him her number but she doesn’t do it because of all the cameras around.
Jasmine notices T.O. and Candice outside and in the Confessional she accuses Candice of wanting to ‘smash the homies’ (FTLORJ hijack #3. Quick! Someone go get Danger. That’s all we need to officially rename this show FTLORJ3).
Eliminations
The party ends and Ocho gets Bernard and T.O. to go upstairs and talk about the girls.
Once upstairs the guys mentioned that they liked Tara, were bored with Katie, felt Lisa was either really drunk or just retarded, thought April was level-headed, and loved Rubi.
Ocho thought Cynthia was too talkative and felt Crystal was shady.
When they get to Candice, T.O. mentions how he tried to get her phone number and Ocho thinks it’s sneaky of her to come on his show with her own agenda (They all have an agenda so that argument is bullshit).
At eliminations Candice is particularly nervous about going home while Rubi is pretty confident. Chad tells the girls that the winner will receive the ring located in the case next to him. He also tells them the order that they will be called this elimination will serve as their ranking to be used for determining the pairing of future dates.
The girls are paired as such:
Rubi (1) vs Candice (16)
Tara (2) vs Katie (15)
Courtney (3) vs Crystal (14)
Angela (4) vs Jasmine (13)
April (5) vs Laurice (12)
Tiphani (6) vs Brittany (11)
Heather (7) vs Lisa (10)
Emma (8) vs Ericka (9)
In the end Cynthia is eliminated because Ocho thought she talked way too much
I kinda like Laurice, thought B-Twice was better than Ochocinco and I’ll die happy if I never have to listen to Ochocinco say “here” as “heeyah” again
This show is a basic bitch convention. I’ll take one for the team and watch to recap but if anyone else wants to stop watching feel free.
The only thing I like about the show is their party dresses
It was kind of terrible but in a way I watched it to just remember the of love shows
Had it been Bernard’s show we might’ve gotten a show similar to FOL. Oh well…
Good job breaking this bullshit down, ‘Matic.
I tried to make myself watch this tripe; I really did.
But I couldn’t tolerate the overwhelming douche-baggery for more than ten minutes.
In a premiere where the “best” dude on camera is not the ‘star’ but TO’s leaky-eyed ass, and nearly all the gold~diggers/fame~whores look like a bunch of badly-made “Kim K” clones, a discerning viewer like myself has absolutely NOTHING to look forward to…
And Steupz, if I could go the rest of my entire life without ever again having to hear Eight-Feezy’s dumb ass mispronounce ANY adverbs, it would be an indescribable blessing…
$SHOW IS LAME AS HELL HIS SELECTION WAS BULLSHIT EXCEPT A FEW BUT THIS IS POINTLESS ONLY WATCHED TO GET SOME “OF LOVE” TYPE SHXT N MY SYSTEM OVERALL THIS SHXT WAS LAME$
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Is this show worth watching?
Not really. It was boring to me and I still haven’t seen anything that says the rest of the season is worth watching.
Lol I’m glad you’re recapping it though. I think I like where it’s going.
I say give it a chance. The first ep just had too many women at first. That was a mistake in my opinion. Give it 2 more eps at least. I think he’ll win us over. I love the previews.
I liked Laurice too. But we didn’t get to know their personalities as well as we got to know the girls from the other of love shows on their first episodes… that’s what I missed. Overall, I liked it. He’s tacky, he talks funny, and he’s fineeee! He reminds me of my Flav for those 3 reasons.
One of the biggest crimes concerning this show is the absolute lack of effort on 51 Minds part to come up with some variations. Dummies must actually think they created a genre and not to play with such a “winning” formula.
-the fight over a bed scene
-the storming of the bar
-the arrival of Ocho in a tux “Ladies, welcome..”
I mean, it’s really a mockery when you can predict what’s going to happen next. With Frank and now this 51 Minds killed their own golden goose.
I actually think they tampered with the formula here.
Yea the bed fight was lame but every bed fight after Saaphyri and H-Town was lame because we were spoiled with a real fight way too early in the game.
The storming the bar scene is pretty stupid but on most shows that’s all redeemed when someone gets really drunk and that didn’t happen here.
That ride up was late as hell. Shit was supposed to be within the first 5 minutes, not 3/4 the way through the show and it still failed because the women screamed louder for his friends than they did for him.
I also didn’t like that none of the girls got their own individual introductions. I would be lost as a recapper if we didn’t find these women before the show. However seeing how that mixer went it was obvious these women were too boring and basic to do something like that without making anyone fall asleep.
I hated all the FTLORJ hijacks and the lighting and video quality of the eliminations (really the whole episode but especially eliminations because that’s the part I watched on TV) was awful. It looked like they taped that shit with a webcam and WTF? Lamps at Target cost $12. They need to get a couple. I should be able to tell Ocho’s and T.O.’s faces from their outfits.
They could have done this episode way differently. Either they should have found a way to keep most of the 85 women around longer or they shouldn’t have had them at all. The bracket thing might have potential but every pick after Rubi is highly suspect. The first episode is supposed to be about Ocho (and Bernard since he’s the sidekick) getting to know the women (because that helps us as viewers get to know them). T.O. should have come later on. We don’t need people confused at who to flirt with on the first episode and yet they still stay.
Candice or Crystal should have gone home. Yes Cynthia didn’t shut up but damn that means this bracket setup will only enable more bad decisions since it’s like you only need to have a bad date to go home. Bad elimination decisions almost always equal a bad show.
Yeah the whole 85 women thing was bullcrap. These 17 were probably fully vetted beforehand and therefore knew they would make it to the house.
You gonna give that battery of psychological tests and a boatload of Valtrex to 85 women? No way.
I think it was a setup too because otherwise more than 3 of them would get to speak aside or in the confessional about being there/Ocho/not getting picked.
Good shit.
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small note: the producers of Ego Trip’s White Rapper Show, including the Ego Trip crew, are prolly bangin’ their domes against a wall because THEY rocked the “host appears on video in the crib” routine waaaaay before 51 Minds and Ray J & Ocho bit the ish.
…anotehr small note, Flav brought in the homies on the first run of FOL. The classic Bootz ass-clapping scene was the setup.
You’re thinking about FOL2. The only guest on FOL1 was his mom.
I defer to the Bourgy Oracle, Matty Mat.
…maybe I’m just not feeling all of the love or hate being given to Ray J.
great avatar!
Thanks, comrade! On the real…
…though I wish I had never taken the red pill.
Yay! EA is finally doing her recaps! And they very funny! This shows like a FTLORJ type show…And i thought it was gonna be like RCOL! so i changed the channel…But after reading that the contestants cheer louder for T.O And the other guy…I see these girls aren’t into Chad. Can’t wait for the next recap!
Can you really blame them for not being into ‘Eight Five’?
Seriously: he looks like an all black Doberman Pincher in the face…
The body’s nice enough, but then he’s a dumb ass, and BORING as a fucking rock to boot.
Never did I think the day would come when I’d long to see Flavor Flav’s face again…
Flav, oh Flav, wherefore art thou, Flavor Flav???
LOL! He does look like a doberman! Ochocino the doberman!LOL But i also miss Flavor Flav! These males aren’t even attracted to each female like Flav was….He loved them all!
You know ?
Flav wasn’t cute in the slightest, (Sorry, Siege; but it’s true) but at least he had the personality to carry a show!
Flav was entertaining all on his own, and he knew how to keep the chicks on their toes with unexpected challenges & “rewards”…
8-5 is just as vapid and uninteresting as the contestants.
This is also true! And he flied them to the most expensive getaways! Even it was distrubing when he gave them “rewards” they broke the mold on how reality tv is supposed to be!
This show is horrible!!
And Ocho cannot dance; well at least from what we saw, maybe he can chicken noodle soup.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that; DWTS didn’t do his ass a bit of good.
The ten minutes that I did watch wasn’t all at once; I kept getting up to go do other shit, but I did catch his “arrhythmic” ass trying to keep up with Rubi…
SMFH
I was thinking that this potential future NFL Hall of Famer might do himself some good with this show. But if the tone of Bourgy is any indication HOF voter sentiment, he might have just delayed his entry a few years. ::smh:: He’s probably got the same PR team as LeBron.
Abiola weighs in on her blog:
“Ochocinco is tall, handsome athletic and chocolate, everything that I might enjoy in man candy and mindless candy TV viewing. However, I was immediately turned off because judging from the percentage of African American women in the “game,” enjoying Ochocinco would be only a one-way fantasy for me- the kind I am not in to. The show seemed as sexy to me as a Klan rally or a date with John Mayer’s racist penis.”
Ouch.
…and a “CJ” (Bourgy’s very own?) who posed some interesting questions in response:
“[...] But I guess you can’t help who you’re attracted to right? My question is are black men realy attracted to other races? Or are they taking the easy way out because black women are stereotyped to be sassy, have an attitude, too independent….etc.”
“the easy way out”? — Double ouch
Well, if the shoe fits…
I’ve both seen & heard black men say that’s exactly why they date outside their race, because White or Asian women will tolerate more bullshit & are “less of a hassle”…
@ Massie;
I think Eight-feezy’s only requirement for women is probably “easy”…
After being in college for 4 years I think I have heard nearly every so called “reason” (excuses really in my book) why black men and women can’t manage to ‘successfully’ date each other. Honestly while I think both sides have a point I have also noticed that if both sides would just first talk to (not at) each other and STFU and listen when the other person is speaking then there wouldn’t be so many problems.
Like these are probably the biggest gripes I’ve heard
(Black women on Black men)
‘Black men ain’t shit’- Ok what makes them shit? Define what that is and avoid it in the future. Just that simple.
‘Black men don’t want get married.’-Have you asked your man if he wants to marry one day? You should ask that sometime before deciding you really want to marry the dude you’re with so you know not to waste your time if you two don’t see eye to eye on that. If you aren’t woman enough to have a conversation about that then don’t fucking cry to your friends 6 years and 3 kids later about him not marrying you.
‘There are no good black men.’-Define what good is (And no a bitch being 6’5 and having hazel or whatever the fuck contrived ass color eyes with a big dick are not good enough qualities. They are bonuses. Pick something more useful). What I mean is does ‘good’ mean being educated? Having the same values as you? Being able to take care of himself? Stuff like that.
(Black men on black women)
‘Black women are loud/bossy.’-So? There’s loud and bossy white women and Latinas. There’s also quiet black women so either just come out and say you don’t like black women or say that you prefer a more meek woman and proceed to seek her out. Make it clear what you want and turn away the ones who don’t fit the bill.
‘Black women are too independent.’ Not (always) true. Seriously if you always have women flocking to you for the sole reason that you are employed then chances are you have already contradicted yourself. If you do come across a control freak then there’s a good chance she made that clear from the beginning with her actions and either y’all need to talk about that or you need to move on.
‘Why do I have to settle down? There’s a 5:1 ratio of women to men.’- Oh you just bought straight into that tired ass media statistic. Either you want to settle or you don’t. Trying to date 5 women at once might look cool on VH1 but it’s not in the real world. Just say you’re not interested in being serious and please, PLEASE protect yourself from diseases, stalkers and unplanned pregnancies. We do NOT need more kids running around because their parents were too selfish and stupid to take precautions.
Well said, Matic.
Now I didn’t say that I agreed with the excuses, just that I’ve heard them, probably even more than you have.
In fact, I think Chris Rock’s “Good Hair” even touches on the subject.
Im against over-generalizations and stereotypes when it comes to relationships.
What some people fail to realize is that a relationship takes actual work, no matter what color either person is.
The problem therein is that many people can’t keep it real with themselves, let alone anybody else, regardless of color.
Nine times out of ten you’ll find that whatever your issues are, they stem from your own insecurities.
co-sign
You girls got it right. If someone refused to date a person of the same race does that mean that they’re ashamed of their own culture?
But on the flip side I love that we live in an age where interracial relationships are becoming the norm and not the exception. As a biracial person I can’t understand a life that’s limited to just one culture.
As a biracial person, I can understand it, although I might not agree.
For many people, it’s just easier; “the path of least resistance.”
That doesn’t make it better or right…
BTW, what are you mixed with, if you don’t mind me asking?
@Mel Oh, I don’t mind you asking. I’m half white half Japanese. And I do understand being overlooked for your race, and I also understand being noticed for your race and it’s weird either way because you aren’t being seen for who you are, just what you are.
@ massie Todo el mundo aquí es un poco loco .. eso es por qué nos llevamos tan bien jajaja
@ B. Widow:
The soft approach: you are getting a pattern of jerks because you are creating the pattern of jerks; take responsibility for this… and you are half way home. Searching for a soulmate before one has throughly searched their own soul tends to be problematic. Discover your deeper personal values such that you may craft & leverage your moral compass to guide you through life and to break your pattern of suffering that should lead you toward contentment.
The hard approach: [Witholding. Only ask if you are ready for a Bourgy friend to "bring the pain"... out of love.]
thanks CL
No worries. We’re all here for ya.
It pisses me off..Because guys would over look a hot black girl (me). For a girl who’s not even up to par..Its ridicoulous..Ive actually been told I cant date you because your black before..And they would choose another girl ( who I looked better than)
@ Kenri;
I hear you loud & clear.
I’ve been struggling to understand race relations my whole life, & I’ve been battling against being judged for what I am as as opposed to who I am.
That’s partly why when people will not acknowledge the existence of racism, it pisses me off.
@ B Widow;
I know just what you mean – the kind of brothers who will overlook a beautiful, smart, sister and head straight for the dumpiest, most ignorant trailer trash reject he can find. It’s those kind of self hating black men that most “angry black women” have issue with.
It annoys me as well, but not as much as brothers who will try to get at me just because I’m ‘light complected with long hair;’ and meanwhile, I get some sisters hating on me for the exact same reason.
I really hate that shit…
I think what I’m hearing through out this thread is that we want some quality black men.
Quality black men who are interested in quality black women?
Yes, that would do nicely, for a start.
But like Aretha said, “you gotta be a ‘do right’ kind of man if you want a ‘do right’ kind of woman, and vise versa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8YQ7O0Z7S0
I like all men black,white,spanish,asian,steupz*..But they dont seem to want a black girl..
:::dies @ Ste getting his own distinction:::
Y’know it’s funny, B Widow; I’m generally not attracted to your typical, everyday, run-of-the-mill white dudes, but I seem to attract them in droves…
Go figure.
Lately Mel Ive been attracted to Asian guys..I know they say they dont have much down there but after watching ninja assassin Im addicted to ‘em..
And yeah some white guys..But not many..
*lolz
I still need to see ‘Ninja Assassin.’
Though hopefully I won’t be infected with a case of
jungle“yellow” fever; I’ve already done some ‘experimentation’ in that area, and my experiences were lacking, to say the least…Wow really?? Ive never tried asian.. I only had white and black..lol..I really want some spanish
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That’s funny because I had some lackluster experiences with Hispanic dudes until I meant my man. Now dark skinned, light skinned, blatino, cubano, mexicano, et al, a good man is a good man.
So true but every guy “Ive” messed with have been Jerks..So I dont know how to pick them..lol
When dating jerks I feel you should at least look for a nice cock; not a jawbreaker nor a tictac.
True..I agree If its too big they’ll have my mind gone..He’ll be getting away with everything Ima sucker for big dick..lol. But It really doesnt matter when looking for a soulmate..Of course I dont want him to be tiny but I just want a guy to be there and care.
Lol. I have no experience in this topic, but interesting takes.
How old are you B.?
“A good man is a good man”
Well said, Kenri.
@ B Widow;
*lol @ “a sucker for big dick.”
Pun intended? *lmao
Pretty much every jerk I’ve ever dealt with was “nicely endowed.”
However, that shit gets real old, real fast, especially once you get past the age of 30.
I got over it, & now, as long as a brother has something that can satisfy, I mainly care about what he’s working with inside.
@ Massie Im only 21..and @ mel lmbo..I didnt mean it to sound like that..See I need your wisdom..You’ve been there done that Im a newbie..lol
Damn girl, don’t make it sound like I do entire football squads all at once!
*lmao
Seriously, once you get older, you (hopefully) learn not to get so caught up by good dick.
Just because a man can make you hit the “high notes” doesn’t mean you have to tolerate any foolishness.
If you’re quality (ie, not basic) a brother should been willing to “work” for what he wants. And I’m not speaking monetarily, although that doesn’t hurt.
I mean putting in the quality time and service.
There’s an old saying; If they can’t serve you, they dont deserve you.” That goes both ways, for men and women.
Sorry mel ;( we know you dont do that type of stuff.. Thanks though I’m gonna write that down somewhere.
Santa Maria, pero que locura. lol.
Indeed, we ARE all crazy to some extent, and that is probably why most of us get along.
@Mel did you say entire football squads? There’s potential in that.
Naah it wasn’t me but yes, that sounds like one of my twitter question-of-the-day questions.
In my opinion, he is not drawn to women that are meek or easy. I honestly feel he, along with many black men of status, are drawn to exotic looking women. Furthermore, trust me, Latinas in general are NOT meek.
I agree with her.
One point she didn’t make which I believe is crucial, is, this show is fake! If this were a real attempt at love I could say, ‘Ok, that’s what he likes; cool.’
But again, this show is fake! So producers/Ochocinco made a conscious decision that we the viewers prefer to see this distribution of ethnicities over a balanced one, or one tipping to African-Americans.
That is fucked up!
That is a producer saying loud and clear, “Dem black fools will watch this, regardless!”
Who said that?
It’s just an assumption. He’s just trying to explain that producers don’t really care what we think because they think we will watch anything.
Questionsing Ocho’s taste in women is absurd. I saw the show last night, and I thought there was a mix of everything. Did people want him to choose 17 black women? Then what? Others will say he only likes blacks and the other races are unaccounted for? People are blowing this so out of porpotion it is sad. I guess if people need something to bitch about, let it be a man starring in a fake television show? Hope that makes them feel better.
I think more people (by people I mean black women because that’s a sensitive issue for some of us) are upset because there’s only 4 black women there. I guess they don’t realize that there’s also only 4 Latinas and one of them got eliminated last night. The rest of them are white.
I guess they were expecting that because it was a black host they were expecting more than 3 (I know it’s 4 but most of them only spotted 3) black women (as in somewhere between 6-9 like RCOL or FTLORJ). Also the way VH1 edited the show they think Ocho intentionally cut all the black girls and picked 2 at the end instead of thinking that maybe VH1 picked the ones they wanted (as in boring basic models) and the rest were just fillers who Ocho was never going to be able to pick through himself in the first place.
Seriously, I don’t see it as a big issue because we already know this shit is fake and Ocho doesn’t care about any of them. They should be more upset at how boring this shit was.
Now what in the world would make a reasonable person think that a black professional athlete would actually be interested in a woman of his own race?
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As for myself, I know I don’t care.
Any woman of ANY color can have that Doberman-looking fool.
Any man who’s ignorant enough to change his legal name to a misnomer so that his jersey can read a certain way isn’t worth having anyway, IMO.
And is it just me, or is that ring that’s supposed to be the real “prize” tacky as all fuck?
Yeah, I just find it ridiculous when people make things a race issue, when it’s clearly not. It has no merit, and it makes them look petty when they take jabs at other races to make themselves feel better. What the hell is “taking the easy way out?” Are statements like those even necessary? To me, it reaffirms stereotypes and makes black women look more judgmental and close-minded. It really doesn’t paint them in a good light. I understand feeling underrepresented in media (as ALL minorities are), but when people start looking for things to bitch at that aren’t even there? I watched the show last night, to see if I would be entertained, not to try and count the different types of ethnicities or to try and feel represented (as it shouldn’t matter and it’s fake anyhow). Trying to paint Ocho as just having jungle-fever and a self-hating black men is just a bit too much and the comments that are being made are revolting. I agree that this topic should be mute, and the focus should be on the quality of the show. The show is really dull, and there was NOTHING exciting or entertaining about 90 minutes of dumb conversation. I was more entertained watching the T.O. Show.
Well, you hit the nail on the head, Massie.
Many of “our people” need to quit crying racism any time things don’t go the way that they think they should.
That’s part of the reason you have right wing lunatics in this country swearing up & down that “there is no racism” anymore, just a bunch of ‘whiny crybabies’ playing the “race card” because they didn’t get their own way.
The Oscar Grant murder and the consequential mockery of the justice system are clear cut examples of racism; Ocho Dumbass’ apparent preference for easy, “exotic” pussy is not.
The newspaper here ran a story about a town not too far from here that was being investigated by the state for discrimination.
The claim? A 90 year old black woman went into a bar to get lunch and was told they don’t have a license to serve food. Which they don’t. She (and another woman in a separate but similar incident) filed reports saying they wouldn’t serve her food because she was black.
I found that funny. Especially picturing a 90 year old southern lady (and this town in question isn’t exactly rural, but the surrounding areas are quite rural) in town for the day, wearing a flowery dress and a big hat….
Case in point about making “mountains out of molehills.”
FYI; OG was not resisting arrest, as you implied the other day; there was no need to taser him, not that I believe that was Mehserle’s intent anyway.
Additionally, Mehserle never apologized to the Grant family.
If it really was unintentional, why no “Mea Culpa”?
Rhetorical question; please don’t bother to reply.
Like I said, I wasn’t overly familiar with the incident when we talked. You posted a link, I watched the video and gave you my reaction. I’m also not interested in having a debate about it, especially because I understand it affects you. I know officers are often brutal, and I know Oakland is brutal. I also don’t think the kid deserved to be shot. And I’m also fairly liberal in my social views, which includes a healthy dose of distrust of authority.
However, if you aren’t complying with an officer (which includes struggling, even if your arms are physically restrained, i.e. twisting and other things that come naturally when you are “resisting” something) while they are trying to cuff you, you ARE going to be tased. There is nothing wrong with that procedure. You have to obey cops or they will tase you.
Granted, wikipedia isn’t the best source of information, but these passages:
Immediately after the shooting, Mehserle appeared surprised and raised his hands to his face; according to Michael Rains, Mehserle’s criminal defense attorney, several eyewitnesses described Mehserle as looking stunned.[4][32] Witnesses say Mehserle said “Oh my god!” several times after the shooting.[33] and many saw him put his hands to his head.
The day after the shooting, BART spokesman Jim Allison said that Grant was not restrained when he was shot.[7] Court filings by the district attorney’s office say that Grant’s hands were behind his back and that he was “restrained and unarmed” but do not say he was handcuffed.[1][4] The attorney for Grant’s family claimed that Grant’s hands were restrained by Mehserle immediately prior to the shooting.[37] The family’s claim against BART alleges that Grant was handcuffed only after he was shot.[25]
In 2007 he was sentenced to 16 months in state prison for fleeing “from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol”.[11] During that incident, near his Hayward home, San Leandro police shot him with a Taser to subdue him after he threw the pistol into the air and ran.[11] The arresting officers testified that even after being Tased, Grant “continued to resist efforts of the officers to handcuff him”.[40]
Certainly would paint the picture of someone who resists officers. And also the reaction of someone who realizes they just made a pretty big mistake. There’s no way with that kind of reasonable doubt you’re going to get a conviction for murder. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t have a firm belief either way, you do and I’m not trying to change it. I’m telling you what makes sense to me. Someone shooting a compliant citizen in front of dozens of witnesses doesn’t make sense on any level whatsoever in my head. Someone who is out of options mistaking one piece of equipment for another at least makes some sense. And either way, he was at least convicted of something.
(And for future reference, you don’t get to just make a point and then say “Please don’t make a counterpoint).
I’ll deal with you when I get home: I don’t have the time for this right now.
But I will be back.
I’d like to discuss it with you.
If you’d like to keep the OT stuff out of here, feel free to drop me an e-mail.
TFBuckFutter@gmail.com
I’m more likely to get it that way. I tend to lose my place in these long ass comment threads and forget which ones I’m involved in.
Alright, I’m home.
@TFBF:
To begin with, if you were to look closely at the different angles of the tapes, you would see that one hand WAS cuffed. The other cuff was closed AFTER he was shot.
Next, I don’t care what any of BART’s reps said; they will say anything to cover their collective asses, & try to avoid the lawsuit that the Grant family has filed against them, and to try to keep people from boycotting BART.
Grant’s past has little to do with this instance; regardless that you seem to think it means that because he struggled before, he MUST have struggled again. And let’s not even take into account where that piece of info came from.
No one is saying what Mehserle did “makes sense”; it doesn’t.
But still, officers are NOT above the law that they are supposed to uphold.
At the very least, it should have been a verdict of voluntary manslaughter; I don’t give happy fuck how “surprised” he looked. As far as this goes, it amounts to a slap on the wrist.
And lastly, do not tell me what to do.
I asked you politely not to start this shit again, but here you go.
So here’s how it stands;
I have no desire whatsoever to “discuss this matter further with you,” nor any other matter; let alone give you my email address.
All this ‘little discussion’ has done is prove to me that, as obtuse as you seem, you are either a person who is not of color; and therefore, you’ve never actually experienced the kind of harassment and discrimination that my people have. Either that, or you live in a bubble and are in denial.
Either way, I don’t care.
Just please refrain from addressing me or any of my comments again, and I will do the same where you are concerned.
I have nothing more to say to you, and you will never be welcome in my cypher.
Good day.
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Hm. Seems a bit harsh, but that’s fine.
And one wrist cuffed does not equal handcuffed. In fact, it would be probably be more evidence that he was twisting his arm and shoulder to….I don’t know….RESIST the placement of the other end of the cuffs?
But yeah, whatever….you actually did a good job of getting me to actually form an opinion on something I didn’t actually look into in depth (In fact, my initial thought when I saw the story was “figures”.)
Oh, and I apologize for bringing this shit up when I said “FYI; OG was not resisting arrest, as you implied the other day; there was no need to taser him, not that I believe that was Mehserle’s intent anyway.”
I didn’t expect him to pick any blacks, especially after Trap(I think that’s who said it) said Ochocinco was not into black women but it would’ve been too obvious if he didn’t pick at least one or two.
I could care less, the man’s personal choice is his choice and the two blacks he did pick will be bounced either next week or the week after anyway. Just like you said EA, this is all fake and when he picks the winner, they won’t be together but a hot minute and VH1 will announce his show is renewed for another season.
IMO, Brett was not into black women either. He would stick his tongue down the other girl’s mouth when he kissed them but when it came to the black chick(I forgot her name), all she got was a short kiss on the lips plus he took her on a double date and didn’t really spend that much time with her on the date. She lasted a long time though.
I can understand him not kissing or ignoring Raven…lol…she was gone..what..after the first airing. I think those were the only two blacks to appear on his shows.
Natasha, Dallas, Raven, Erin, and Roxy.
Good call that Bert wasn’t feeling the sisters, either, Joann.
(Not that he had a “great” selection to choose from, but still. Roxy & Erin were cute.)
He just wanted to look PC.
Good call to you too, GS; for actually remembering their names.
But who would expect a bunch of black women to go on a show named ROCK of Love? I’m sure there are some black women who love rock music and white men out there though but I don’t think they (by they I mean low grade models looking for a come-up and not decent, legitimately single women really wanting to find love and nothing else) would be swarming to the casting calls like they probably did for this show.
Although the few black women they did pick were mostly busted, at least three of those 5 made it known that they prefer to date white men anyway. It doesn’t help that the three who made it known are the 3 busted ones who we remember and not the 2 nice, quiet ones.
Just like the entertainer A liminated Jennifer..For her “picture”.. LOl
No they had the one other girl I cant remember her name though
Her name was Stephanie, the glaringly obvious fame-whore who knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about Frank.
(I could shoot myself for knowing that.)
Stephanie was the other girl.
Yeah, the other black girl whose name Lane couldn’t remember.
That’s who I was talking about, not Jennifer.
To be fair though he did have a thing for Becky Buckwild and she was like white chocolate or something. Also, I wasn’t into Jenny or Stephanie either, they made for bad television.
Thanks for schooling me G.S. The one who’s name I couldn’t think of was Dallas. Now that I think about it Natasha’s name sounds familiar to me but Roxy and Erin I definitely don’t remember.
LOL Natasha iz da one who everybody believes iz a man.
Thank you for the recap you have ensured that there is no in HELL i will watch this show
and sorry no there aren’t enough BLACK WOMEN on the show. it’s bad enough that whem Barack became president main stream tv thought black ppl didn’t need to be represented on network tv anymore
I don’t get why anyone would get mad over this dude. I mean, maybe it’s because I’m straight but I can’t find anything attractive about this dude. His face looks retarded.
Most of us here don’t get it. His face is exactly as you described, he embodies why I believe athletes shouldn’t talk and he’s a boring douchebag which IMO is worse than a somewhat entertaning when they want to be douchebag.
I can’t stand the guy on the field or off. He’s just a giant jackass.
I did read a quote from him that I have to give him credit for. I didn’t watch any of the T.O. Show, but someone said they were jewelry shopping and he said he just gets his diamonds at Claire’s because since he’s rich people think they are real.
I like that philosophy. Aside from that though, I really just want to see him on fire.
Oh shit….has Tila Tequila getting the boot from Celebrity Rehab because she’s a cutter been brought up yet?
I saw the thing about her not going to be on Celebeity Rehab now but I didn’t care to read anything about why because I don’t want to waste brain cells on that circlehead attention whore bitch.
Oh great. Now you make me look like an asshole for actually reading about it. Thanks a lot.
Seriously, I know very little about her, and I don’t follow her shenanigans (thanks, you also made me break out “shenanigans”).
@TFBuckFutter..I know it’s late so I’ll check back with you tomorrow, but where did you hear about Tila getting the boot from CR4?
I thought saw it on DListed, but I might be mistaken.
He did post a link http://www.imnotobsessed.com/2010/07/12/tila-tequila-off-vh1s-celebrity-rehab to another site though with similar news.
http://blog.vh1.com/2010-07-12/tila-tequila-says-no-to-rehab/
I think she got kicked out.
EA….I’m LMAO at you calling Tila The Skank “circlehead.”…never heard that name before. Still got that dark humor about you, don’t lose it girl.
I’ll give this show a second shot. Who’s with me?
*waits… hears crickets chirping*
Me! I actually liked it, much better than Basement Affair and Ray J 2.
Good, y’all can watch it for the rest of us.
Siege! How ya been, Lil’ Miss “Type & Run?”
*lolz
Damn, some people are hard headed.
Does anyone I’m actually interested in talking to have something to say?
RAY J 2 was okay I mean it had its moments.
Well, at least RayJ was silly enough with his catch phrases. I mean, he’s far more charismatic than Chad.
Considering that RJ had all the personality of a wet sponge, that really says something about how tedious & boring Ocho is…
You know a show is whack as shit when bitches feel the need to quote Nicki Minaj to be funny . SMFH
Unfortunately, Chad is as dull as a spoon.
I might watch if he did his confessionals shirtless. Or pantless.
Hmmm … I think I’d prefer bottomless.
So, why did is the tournament dates set up so that the favorite girl is up against the least favorite? Clearly the bottom bitch isn’t going to make it past that round. Is that how all tournaments work? Sports are a mystery to me.
LMFAO. Well yeah, the top rank teams go up against the lower ranks. Sometimes their are upsets; that’s what makes the games so beautiful.
I would not want to see Chad without clothes. That is not a look I can bare. I would turn off the TV if that happened. I see me watching this show if it’s on during the weekday and I want to fall asleep.
Tournaments like that (college basketball because it’s the only one that uses a bracket style for the playoffs) are designed for the favorite to win but really only the top 3 seeds. After that the differences between the matchups aren’t really that great and sometimes some teams are ranked too high and others are ranked too low.
With these picks, I think Ocho was smoking something because a lot of these ranks (ok all of them except 1, 2 and 16) are just plain bad and I think the wrong person went home so that really fucks this thing up.
Oh, that seems counter intuitive to me, but what do I know. I was surprised that he ranked the girls with the fakey fake lips and boobs so high but maybe he liked their “personality.”
“Personality”. Yea the personality you buy not naturally possess. None of those girls have natural personality. My cat is a bigger drama queen than they are combined.
Another Amazing You’re cut off episode! Lol Gia is such a bitchbut it was hilarious!
Oooh, that’s on my DVR. I gotta watch that.
Erica’s reactions in group were cracking us up.
It was hilarious again! I thought it would have been toned down now that Chrissy is gone but Pam and Jacqueline stepped up their game.
Not to mention Jes, who couldn’t even shut up in group.
Nothing says upper class like sounding EXACTLY like Jim Florentine (Who I consider uber classy, but most wouldn’t).
haha I cannot stand Jess or Gia (Bassethound!) lol I during the 20 minutes was like I cant watch this id Gia is gonna run it. But then after they retaliated hahaha I loved it! Jess is a follower she can’t stand on her own two legs without gia.
I love how they attack each other for how they look when they are all pretty ugly horrid people.
I’m so happy my birthday is only two months away.
All I’m asking for is that the wife say “Goodnight birthday penis” that wonderful eve.
If she doesn’t we’ll wish you a happy birthday penis.
That’s going in my Dream Journal.
http://www.xxclusivelyzeralyn.com/2010/chad-ochocincojohnson-what-the-hell/
Steups did you happen to see the porn star on there?
MTV’s killing VH1. monday night alone has three of my favorite shows right now. Vh1 aint got shit.
But really MTV’s Monday shows are doing just as bad or worse than VH1 in the ratings. Last week was an exception because You’re Cut Off beat everything on MTV last Monday.
What on MTV on Mondays?
Fantasy Factory (my favorite show since ILM is canceled)
The hard times of rj berger
Warren the ape
Thats a damn shame Youre cut off is doing better than those shows. They’re actually funny, unlike basic bitch show. Hope Fantasy Factory can up the ratings since it’s a season premiere.
You’re Cut off is really good. And isn’t Fantasy Factory like Jackass/Rob Derick and stuff? lol But Warren The Ape is terrible and Rj Berger is funny. WEdnesday is MTV’s biggest night
Fantasy Factory is like the much tamer version of Jackass. The best thing about it to me is when Rob’s messing with Drama, not the crazy stuff.
The only thing Wednesday has is The Real World, which is much better than recent seasons, is still not as good as Fantasy Factory.
Sorry to harass you again, Massie. But may I have another translation. (The bit at the end isn’t a word if you’re confused by it; I think he says “Cesc” and they reply “Fabregas”
But what does he say before…
Lol. If I didn’t know any better I’d say you are still enjoying the win(jajaja), but that’s not it. He plays for your team I take it.
The announcer: ‘He doesn’t want to tell the crowd, but let’s see.’
“Come here” and that is when he is pulled onto the stage.
Then refernces him having a big heart . And then the guys forcing the barcelona Jersey on him basically telling him to play for Barca, and then the announcer says “The Future of Barca and Spain”. The end he does say Cesc.
$SMH 2 THIS SHOW L0L$
Co-sign ! I felt so fucking disappointed watching that shit .. But I mean , the cast warned us lol
$TRUE LOL N GS I HAD HOPE 2 BUT THAT WAS A FAIL L0L MAN C IF VH1 JUST CAME MY WAY WED B ALL GOOD LOL$
Sh!t da only show I wouldve done woulda been ILM, but VH1 fucked dat all up.
$RIGHT THEY DID FUCKERY ALL DE WAY$
Fuck most reality TV now. Da one show I woulda done got canceled an all dat other sh!t ain’t my type of show.
I think I had da highest hopes for da show outta everybody. Dats what I fuckin get.
Yeah , Fuck VH1 .. At least , we still got the Bad Girls Club ! Now THAT’s a show I wanna watch !
I’m watchin to see sexxxy azz Ms. Cat.
I know the show ain’t started yet but damn , Brandi is the shit in my opinion lol.
“CALM DOWN ! CALM DOWN !”
I love Danielle’s NY accent too .
But from what I saw on the previews , Brandi and her are gonna get into a pretty heated argument !
Brandi cool too. She reminds me of dat chick from Real World named Aneesa.
Da otha 5 blend in too much IMO
OT: College gonna be so fuckin live.
Also, sorry I’m late on this, but Mel, keep on slayin fools wit dat knowledge. Of course the pussy police purposely killed him.
Racism iz dead my azz. There will be a march in Newberry dat I wanted to go to for da black man who got dragged by a pickup truck driven by a group of white men. I hate dat I have to miss it.
Depending on where you go, college should be awesome for you.
I went to an HBCU, learned a lot & had a blast.
As for the whole race issue, thanks for your support, GS.
It just bothers me when dumb-asses try to defend or justify racist bullshit, especially if they’ve never been victims of it themselves.
I need to be more active, and attend more marches, but it’s hard when you’re on your own, with a 5 year old to raise…
You starting college? Yeah, Mel’s right, it will be great.
And Racism isn’t dead, it’s just badly bruised. Yeah it exists, but no one knows where to find it or correctly identify it.
I’m goin to Coastal Carolina, located in Myrtle Beach. Yea it’s gonna be live.
I just credit it to how people truly feel, Mel. They love our culture and our ways, but when it comes to sh!t like this iz when they go back to their true nature.
http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Man-Joel-Augustus-Rogers/dp/0960229442
“They love our culture and our ways, but when it comes to sh!t like this iz when they go back to their true nature.”
I concur completely.
Certain types love our music (basically everything that has evolved out of the blues) enough to steal it & claim it as their own.
They ‘love’ our swagger, our way of moving & dancing, our sexuality, and even our skin tone (tanning bed much, muthfuckas?) but when it comes down to us having the same rights & privileges, then the bastards want to pretend that we don’t even fucking exist.
Accepting racism, bigotry and prejudice as if it’s just “the natural order of things” is just as bad as being a racist or a bigot, IMO.
Must make this switch to Page 2.
It’s been a while since we had one do that.